Comments on: Reworking Eclipse–More Math! http://moonchicken.wordpress.com/2008/07/20/reworking-eclipse-more-math/ Just another WordPress.com weblog Mon, 07 Sep 2009 03:02:18 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: moonchicken http://moonchicken.wordpress.com/2008/07/20/reworking-eclipse-more-math/#comment-22 moonchicken Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:48:56 +0000 http://moonchicken.wordpress.com/?p=99#comment-22 Ah, yes, the explanation of the crit helps, thank you. That makes perfect sense. As for CoE, I checked MMO-Champion's highest rank, which is 10% more damage (from the Beta) and then an Affliction Warlock is 3% more talented. So yes, it depends on whether you have an Aff warlock. 25 mans will, 10 mans will have at best 1 of each class and that could be Destro or Aff or even Demononolgy, so it's less significant there. And glad to help. Look at he mana regen post I put up yesterday too, you might be interested in that as well. -Sylv /wave Ah, yes, the explanation of the crit helps, thank you. That makes perfect sense. As for CoE, I checked MMO-Champion’s highest rank, which is 10% more damage (from the Beta) and then an Affliction Warlock is 3% more talented. So yes, it depends on whether you have an Aff warlock. 25 mans will, 10 mans will have at best 1 of each class and that could be Destro or Aff or even Demononolgy, so it’s less significant there.

And glad to help. Look at he mana regen post I put up yesterday too, you might be interested in that as well.

-Sylv

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]]> By: Murmurs http://moonchicken.wordpress.com/2008/07/20/reworking-eclipse-more-math/#comment-20 Murmurs Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:13:45 +0000 http://moonchicken.wordpress.com/?p=99#comment-20 Very nice update, and I feel it more accurately represents what a Druid would see in a normal raid setting (although it may only be 10% instead of 13% from CoE, but we'll have to see how Warlocks adjust before making any conclusions there.) The reason I felt that CoE was important was that this is a raid debuff that is virtually always going to be on a mob, unless for some reason you are not raiding with any Warlocks (which may become more common in 10 mans, but who knows.) And, from looking at the two different comparisons, you can see that CoE does have a significant impact on both the DPS and DPM of Starfire. Depending on how talent trees work out, I am one of those supporters of putting just one point into Eclipse right now. The main issue I have with putting in all 3 points is that the buff has such a long internal cooldown and yet still only grants a 60% chance instead of 100%. Thus, no matter which way you choose to go, RNG still needs to have some liking to you in order for this talent to perform at its most optimal level. Which reminds me to address something you mentioned in your reply to my previous comment: What makes the Wrath buff more appealing over the Starfire buff is that 10% crit may or may not actually have any real change in your overall damage or crit percentage within that time frame. It is a RNG issue, in that, despite now having 40% crit, you may still only see a 30% crit rate, or a 32%, or 35%, or even 16%. So, while theoretically the Starfire buff is better than the Wrath buff, it actual game play it may not always pan out to be that way. The other issue is that, in order to get the Starfire buff, you need to be casting Wrath when it would be more optimal (from a DPM standpoint at least) to be casting Starfire. This is why I think it will be better over all to continue with using Starfire as the staple, and only switch over to Wrath once the buff procs itself. This minimizes Wrath usage while still providing a moderate DPS increase. Again, very good write up and I am glad that there are people taking to the time to work through these things. :) Very nice update, and I feel it more accurately represents what a Druid would see in a normal raid setting (although it may only be 10% instead of 13% from CoE, but we’ll have to see how Warlocks adjust before making any conclusions there.)

The reason I felt that CoE was important was that this is a raid debuff that is virtually always going to be on a mob, unless for some reason you are not raiding with any Warlocks (which may become more common in 10 mans, but who knows.) And, from looking at the two different comparisons, you can see that CoE does have a significant impact on both the DPS and DPM of Starfire.

Depending on how talent trees work out, I am one of those supporters of putting just one point into Eclipse right now. The main issue I have with putting in all 3 points is that the buff has such a long internal cooldown and yet still only grants a 60% chance instead of 100%. Thus, no matter which way you choose to go, RNG still needs to have some liking to you in order for this talent to perform at its most optimal level.

Which reminds me to address something you mentioned in your reply to my previous comment: What makes the Wrath buff more appealing over the Starfire buff is that 10% crit may or may not actually have any real change in your overall damage or crit percentage within that time frame. It is a RNG issue, in that, despite now having 40% crit, you may still only see a 30% crit rate, or a 32%, or 35%, or even 16%. So, while theoretically the Starfire buff is better than the Wrath buff, it actual game play it may not always pan out to be that way.

The other issue is that, in order to get the Starfire buff, you need to be casting Wrath when it would be more optimal (from a DPM standpoint at least) to be casting Starfire. This is why I think it will be better over all to continue with using Starfire as the staple, and only switch over to Wrath once the buff procs itself. This minimizes Wrath usage while still providing a moderate DPS increase.

Again, very good write up and I am glad that there are people taking to the time to work through these things. :)

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